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Post by frisatniteregular on Jul 24, 2010 22:59:26 GMT -5
Ok so we mess around wasting alot of time all night and then when we finally realize rains on the way we try to rush. Makes no sense what so ever. It was lightning for hours before they ever started to try and speed the show up. Then during the prostock feature the leaders are entering turn 3 and they throw the yellow for rain when it was raining less at that point then what it was when they started the race intially. What a crock. Let them finish. Its a quarter of a lap and it even let up for a short time before it poured. And finally... Why in gods green earth is the damn main gate closed and locked? You created the biggest dumbest f'in traffic jam by having that thing closed. Would it have been that hard to send a security guard or someone to go unlock it instead of everyone getting herded into the same freakin exit? Oh and the btw does anyone know if the rain check is any good for next week? Because I've been told different things. They finished a feature but it was under yellow. If they aren't then thats some more B.S. to add to the list for tonight.
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Post by sk8077 on Jul 24, 2010 23:27:57 GMT -5
thats nothing new. Use to have reserved seats there and went there every week for nearly 15 years till 2 years ago. Even remember the days when Campbell and the Adams trailers would go by on their way home from Port every week when the first or second features at SG were still on the track. Nothing new at all.... but I'm sure we'll be enlightened that it was a business decision of some sort soon enough. They should have saved everyone and cancelled due to heat anyway...  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2010 8:41:59 GMT -5
some people can't be enlightened but i'll try
if you check the times posted on the live updates there wasn't any wasting of time except for starting about 20 minutes late to get the track run in since they had to keep watering it due to the excessive heat. btw that means a better show for the fans and drivers. they were in hurry up mode from the time the first green flag flew. but some people just like to bitch about SG!
yes it was lighning but the storm was still far away at that point. as far as the yellow on the last lap... at the beginning of the feature it was a very small blip on the radar that was over us and then there was a slight gap. the speedway knew that when the rain came again it was going to be hard. plus the track was not going to take the rain as easy each time. did you see how quickly the track slicked up after the yellow. easy call by the flagman 1/4 lap or not steaming into turn one like well.... remember 2 years ago in the lm's. but some people just like to bitch about SG!
many, many citations and warnings have been issued by the township for vehicles leaving the track dragging mud onto sandhill road. therefore the speedway has an unwritten agreement that when it is most likely to happen (ie during rain) that the main gate will be closed forcing the cars leaving the pits to travel through the parking lot which more than likely will dislodge most of the mud that accumulated in the pits and crossing the track. with 2 exits the place is still much easier to get out of than most tracks i've ever visited. but some people just like to bitch about SG!
i do not believe that the rain checks are any good but i have not verified it. i think the policy is that once qualifying is completed the rain checks are no good. i also believe that this is the policy at every other local dirt track i saw a post on another board that says the fans that show up every week are getting screwed. oh contraire....if you show up every week you are missing nothing. you will see the features you missed the next time or so you are there. you will eventually see everything you paid for. if anyone is losing anything it's the fan who only shows up once in a while. it's unfortunate but what are you going to do. again i'm pretty sure it's the same policy at every local track but feel free to check it out. but some people just like to bitch about SG!
it's only BS when you don't stop and think about it. but some people just like to bitch about SG!
and as far as trailers going past SG....when you only run 2 or 3 divisions you will be done earlier. when you start earlier youy will be done earlier. two years ago was two years ago. where are the guys you mentioned and why are they there? things aren't always greener on the other side of the fence.but some people just like to bitch about SG!
there are options abound every saturday night. i don't want to turn any fan or race team away but why do you make the choice you make? things aren't any greener.....and in fact they are probably much greener on this side of the fence but some people just like to bitch about SG!
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Post by frisatniteregular on Jul 25, 2010 9:48:58 GMT -5
some people can't be enlightened but i'll tryif you check the times posted on the live updates there wasn't any wasting of time except for starting about 20 minutes late to get the track run in since they had to keep watering it due to the excessive heat. btw that means a better show for the fans and drivers. they were in hurry up mode from the time the first green flag flew. but some people just like to bitch about SG!yes it was lighning but the storm was still far away at that point. as far as the yellow on the last lap... at the beginning of the feature it was a very small blip on the radar that was over us and then there was a slight gap. the speedway knew that when the rain came again it was going to be hard. plus the track was not going to take the rain as easy each time. did you see how quickly the track slicked up after the yellow. easy call by the flagman 1/4 lap or not steaming into turn one like well.... remember 2 years ago in the lm's. but some people just like to bitch about SG!many, many citations and warnings have been issued by the township for vehicles leaving the track dragging mud onto sandhill road. therefore the speedway has an unwritten agreement that when it is most likely to happen (ie during rain) that the main gate will be closed forcing the cars leaving the pits to travel through the parking lot which more than likely will dislodge most of the mud that accumulated in the pits and crossing the track. with 2 exits the place is still much easier to get out of than most tracks i've ever visited. but some people just like to bitch about SG!i do not believe that the rain checks are any good but i have not verified it. i think the policy is that once qualifying is completed the rain checks are no good. i also believe that this is the policy at every other local dirt track i saw a post on another board that says the fans that show up every week are getting screwed. oh contraire....if you show up every week you are missing nothing. you will see the features you missed the next time or so you are there. you will eventually see everything you paid for. if anyone is losing anything it's the fan who only shows up once in a while. it's unfortunate but what are you going to do. again i'm pretty sure it's the same policy at every local track but feel free to check it out. but some people just like to bitch about SG!it's only BS when you don't stop and think about it. but some people just like to bitch about SG!and as far as trailers going past SG....when you only run 2 or 3 divisions you will be done earlier. when you start earlier youy will be done earlier. two years ago was two years ago. where are the guys you mentioned and why are they there? things aren't always greener on the other side of the fence. but some people just like to bitch about SG!there are options abound every saturday night. i don't want to turn any fan or race team away but why do you make the choice you make? things aren't any greener.....and in fact they are probably much greener on this side of the fence but some people just like to bitch about SG! Scott you know I'm there pretty much every week. However I had brought 4 people who never was to a dirt track before. They enjoyed what they did see but they won't most likely make it back again for quite a while. So in reality your right the ones that are there every week will eventually get their money back. Those who dont won't. I dont nessicarly think it should be a full refund but the fans should be given something like a half off next week with a rain check or something to the fact. As far as the live updates I was at the track I was watching my own watch and there was absolutely no rush early ie hot laps and the heats to get the cars lined up and ready especially in hot laps. However it is what it is. But you are wrong about the rain and storms it was raining in middleburg and penns creek during the 2nd prostock heat. So the storms werent all that far away. I still disagree I know your trying to protect the drivers but the leaders were in turn 3 when the caution flew. It was barely raining at that point. They would have easily made it back to the finish before the heavier rains started. If you were going to let them race 14 laps on a slick track why not let them finish a 1/4 lap? Thats all I'm saying. I can get out of Clinton county which is one exit 4 times faster then I can get out of selinsgrove when the gates closed; because people actually use there heads up there. You dont have everyone running threw the grass cutting in line switching the 3 to 4 roads that lead all into one to get out. I damn near got hit by two different vehicles that came flying up out of nowhere and cut into line. I'm talking like 30 to 35 mph. Thats unsafe and uncalled for. So lets increase the risk to (families) to prevent a little mud on the road that would have washed off anyways with the downpoor??? Or the water truck could have washed it off afterwards? Thats why I was pissed off with that. I've been to iraq I've driven alot of places I'm not afraid to go anywhere but you drive like an effin nut and put my families life in danger you better hope to god I dont get a hold of you. Look I like selinsgrove or I wouldnt have season seats and I wouldnt be there every week. But there are some things that this place does that just boggles the mind. It all just feels like at times the place is only in it for the money and nothing else. But other times they take care of the fans and drivers. I realize your not going to please everyone. And I still plan on attending the rest of the year irregardless. But as said before some decisions that are made just make you go hmmmmmmm.... |
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Post by sk8077 on Jul 25, 2010 10:10:26 GMT -5
Thanks for the explanation and listening to constructive criticism. It's gonna make the trip to Lincoln seem shorter listening to that!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2010 11:54:12 GMT -5
there are decisions made that make me go HMMM as well. i just don't go on message boards talking about them. i go to the management whether it's selinsgrove speedway, the pool or the mall. it's just the ones you mention aren't on that list. it wouldn't matter if there were 5 exits. the people that drive like you described will drive like that. the township doesn't care if the rain washes it off or the water truck washes it off. they actually have people "spying" on the track to make sure the fan count is at least close when they collect their amusement tax and go down when it rains to make sure that the mud is not being drug out on the street. it's a no win situation for the track. i fell sorry for your friends but the policy is what it is and has been in place forever. you know that when you go. rain was close but not "there" yet. on friday night it POURED within 1 mile of raceway park yet we did not get a drop. when you're watching the radar and see what's coming...when it finally gets there you know what you're going to get. you CAN NOT err on the side of safety. btw not 1 driver complained. Selinsgrove Speedway IS NOT PERFECT. there i said it. but most of the things that are complained about have viable reasons when YOU ARE THE ONE AT RISK.
sk8077...sorry to see you go. hope they treat you better than SG does and hope you're not a 358 fan cause they are second class citizens down there. constructive criticism IS listened to BUT NO ONE WANTS TO LISTEN TO THE FACTUAL REASONING BEHIND THE DECISIONS. IF YOU DID YOU COULDN'T BITCH AND SOME PEOPLE (IF THE SHOE FITS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW 99% OF THE PEOPLE WHO POST) AREN'T HAPPY UNLESS THEY'RE BITCHING
what other track tells you the reasoning behind the decisions. NONE. they just make the call and that's it. if you don't want the answer don't ask the question.
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Post by "livin the dream" on Jul 25, 2010 11:54:13 GMT -5
Ok so we mess around wasting alot of time all night and then when we finally realize rains on the way we try to rush. Makes no sense what so ever. It was lightning for hours before they ever started to try and speed the show up. Then during the prostock feature the leaders are entering turn 3 and they throw the yellow for rain when it was raining less at that point then what it was when they started the race intially. What a crock. Let them finish. Its a quarter of a lap and it even let up for a short time before it poured. And finally... Why in gods green earth is the damn main gate closed and locked? You created the biggest dumbest f'in traffic jam by having that thing closed. Would it have been that hard to send a security guard or someone to go unlock it instead of everyone getting herded into the same freakin exit? Oh and the btw does anyone know if the rain check is any good for next week? Because I've been told different things. They finished a feature but it was under yellow. If they aren't then thats some more B.S. to add to the list for tonight. Wow! Now I believe that the speedway will and should be called out for bone head moves, but credit should be given where credit is due. I commend the track crew for the little extra time they put into the surface in the beginning of the night cause there was no dust and the surface was decent. As far as rain checks go, there needs to be a cut off and that is the end of the qualifiers at every track I attend so how can that be a complaint! Yes it is frustrating if you miss the mains and can't return but come on that is the risk of an outdoor event. As far as the PS main, in a way I kinda agree it was only a 1/4 of a lap but it was not going to change the outcome anyway. I don't think Randy is a very good flagman, but this time (if it was his call) he error' on the side of caution. Exiting the property is a problem that could be solved by widening all the exits for minimal dollars spent, but that will not educate the retards that speed up thru the grass. NOW! Some of the areas that can be improved. 1. Everytime I have been to SG this year there have been engine starts for the sprint cars. Why in the world do you need engine starts in 90 plus degree weather that takes up 10-15 wasted minutes and puts extra laps on the track. 2. Everytime I have been to SG this year Brian Nornhold has brought a caution intentionally by stopping right at the pit opening. Last night it was on the last lap on his heat race. Joe needs to address that and get that stopped. Done for now! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2010 13:42:24 GMT -5
i too have wondered about engine starts. they can be done on the backstretch pit lane any time after about 6:15. maybe it's something that should be looked at for next year. i'll add it to my list of things i've seen discussed on message boards that i talk to charlie about during the off season. as far as your #2 complaint i have to agree. hopefully it is in the works.
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Post by frisatniteregular on Jul 25, 2010 20:30:48 GMT -5
there are decisions made that make me go HMMM as well. i just don't go on message boards talking about them. i go to the management whether it's selinsgrove speedway, the pool or the mall. it's just the ones you mention aren't on that list. it wouldn't matter if there were 5 exits. the people that drive like you described will drive like that. the township doesn't care if the rain washes it off or the water truck washes it off. they actually have people "spying" on the track to make sure the fan count is at least close when they collect their amusement tax and go down when it rains to make sure that the mud is not being drug out on the street. it's a no win situation for the track. i fell sorry for your friends but the policy is what it is and has been in place forever. you know that when you go. rain was close but not "there" yet. on friday night it POURED within 1 mile of raceway park yet we did not get a drop. when you're watching the radar and see what's coming...when it finally gets there you know what you're going to get. you CAN NOT err on the side of safety. btw not 1 driver complained. Selinsgrove Speedway IS NOT PERFECT. there i said it. but most of the things that are complained about have viable reasons when YOU ARE THE ONE AT RISK. sk8077...sorry to see you go. hope they treat you better than SG does and hope you're not a 358 fan cause they are second class citizens down there. constructive criticism IS listened to BUT NO ONE WANTS TO LISTEN TO THE FACTUAL REASONING BEHIND THE DECISIONS. IF YOU DID YOU COULDN'T BITCH AND SOME PEOPLE (IF THE SHOE FITS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW 99% OF THE PEOPLE WHO POST) AREN'T HAPPY UNLESS THEY'RE BITCHING what other track tells you the reasoning behind the decisions. NONE. they just make the call and that's it. if you don't want the answer don't ask the question. I realize selinsgrove isnt perfect. No venue is. And as I said before you wont please everyone no matter if you gave everyone a million bucks a big candy lollipop at the gate. And you have a very valid point about going to management however I highly doubt charlie wants 200 people running up to him telling him this or that. Thats not a good way to do buisness. Not that this is much better but at least with this method we can discuss and pitch ideas. IE like I did last year with the pole I started on selinsgroves forum about double file restarts, hall of fame, parking etc etc. Granted I'll attest to the fact that this in all honesty was probably more of a out of anger and disapproval of a few certain things post. With the rain check policy it is what it is and like you said we know that before we ever go that the weather could change things. I was just sooooooooooo looking forward to some great racing I really think the LM and Sprints feature were going to be a interesting show. So I'll still be there next sat barring inclement weather and the one after that and after that. I've been to alot of other tracks but I do like selinsgrove the most. I give you guys your due just as much as I complain at times so I think I'm fair but firm. I call it as I see it. |
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Post by selinsgrovefan on Jul 25, 2010 23:48:31 GMT -5
The weather this season has been very strange. When I left the house there was only a 30 percent chance of rain and we end up getting hammered. Then you had those nights earlier in the season where it looked like we had no shot to race and it didnt rain at all. I was definitely bummed that the late models couldnt race for sure because i think Coleby and Jeff woulda put on a good show. But now I am definitely looking forward to the features being made up. Hopefully Frye can make it back this weekend and guys like Moody and Schuchart can come when the sprints are made up.
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Post by frisatniteregular on Aug 1, 2010 0:26:59 GMT -5
Well tonight we can forget about the weather. First off good job by the track crew tonight in getting the track ready. Looked really racey. Second thanks for getting the entire show in with all the cautions and reds that we had. Now for the two instances that shoudl be looked at in a very serious manner.
First I'll start with the idiot in the green ford ranger. How in the world do you manage to drive up over a sprint car? You know what I'm glad your truck is destroyed and I hope your banned from coming back considerin this isnt your first mess up this year. Almost every race the last few weekends hes done something stupid. If you dont know what your doing then simply dont do it. Why isnt the track all over this guy? And if I was Charlie Anderson I know someone who would be getting a bill for the damage. Now that we are done with one retard.
Now I hate to do this because I really think he was just having a bad night or something although I've seen this before from Randy the Flagman but tongiht was a prime example of how not to flag a race. Personally he owes BOTH Tracy and Ryan a sincere apology. Tracy was clearly slow coming out of 4 in front of the entire field and couldnt get down. Then we dont throw the yellow and Ryan ends up demolishing both their cars most likely because he couldnt see Tracy was slow on the top side. Its amazing noone was seriously hurt considering the impact. And considering that is all in the hands of the flagman and it all happened right in front of him it was clearly and totally his fault. What a shame for both of those drivers. Accidents happen and people make mistakes but you have peoples lives in your hands when your up there and you need to be a little quicker with the flag in a scenario like that. I know he was probably trying to just avoid the caution and get the show in but anyone with eyes could have told you the yellow should have been thrown when he couldnt get out of the way. Hopefully he learned his lesson and we never have a repeat like that again.
Other then those two incidents the show was pretty good. Alot of torn up cars unfortunately but good racing.
Oh and how about Bobby B. Being a little frisky and wanting to duke it out with Jason. Just like the good ole days! To bad Cannon ran away with it again...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2010 10:04:37 GMT -5
i can't speak to other "mess ups" if there were any by that particular push truck but this time jessica had to stomp on the brakes as someone moved in front of her just as she fired. that's the answer i got from her when i talked to her at the end of the night. the truck driver tried to avoid slamming into the back of her by turning right but didn't have time to clear her. glad there wasn't any more damage than the tire and wing.
you are correct that randy felt the 78 still had the speed to get off the track once the field cleared. now for those that know me i am known as the safety nazi at the track as i'm always pointing out little things that seem to me unsafe but i'm torn on this one. tracy was running in the 2nd spot (not place) at the time. nearhood was 16th. 13 other cars got by and the accident happened at a spot where the cars are normally starting to dive low into the turn. i don't think the 78 moved 1 inch off the wall. i like ryan as i talk to him pre race every week so i'm not trying to throw him under the bus. not sure why but for whatever reason he didn't see the 78. it was an accident. could it have been avoided? hindsight says it surely could have. on the other side the boo birds would have been out for an unneccesary yellow flag if ryan would have gotten by just as the yellow came out and then tracy turned into the pit area. i always say err on the side of safety but at the time i didn't see a problem with it. of course now i wish he had thrown yellow. i didn't seek ryan out but ran into him at the end of the night and talked briefly. didn't talk about the accident other than asking if he was ok but he didn't seem upset.
and what happened with shultz and bobby b. i didn't see the incident but bobby b was more than a litte bit upset. anyone have insight into this.
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Post by frisatniteregular on Aug 1, 2010 10:44:11 GMT -5
Your right about the accident it could have gone either way it just seemed though the right thingto do for the sake of safety would have been to throw the yellow. But like you said the other cars all passed by.
Oh and the other mess ups I was referring too was he failed at pushing Alan Spriggle off the other week. He started pushing alan before he was ready and the wheels all locked up. And then during the Late Model speedweek he pushed a Late model into the pits I cant remember who the racer was but he was going to the pits and trying to turn and the push truck apparently didnt realize this and kept pushing him and he almost ran him right into the turn 1 wall where you enter the pits.
As fas a Bob and Jason from what I saw it looked like Bob was running the high line as usual and Jason stuck his nose to the high side going in to 3 of Bob. I guess Bob though Jason should have left off but instead they got together both trying to rim ride and then it appeared bobs car lost steering after the contact and thats when he ended up in the inside wall.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2010 11:32:49 GMT -5
definetely a tough call
not good. track officials don't always see these things so i will mention it to them. some push truck drivers have been lectured pretty good over the last couple years. so overall things should be improving.
the hole that suddenly closed up. gotta love those guys that aren't afraid to stick it on the wall. too bad for bob as he's been really fast this year. hope he can get it back together for this week.
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Post by posse25 on Aug 3, 2010 19:38:37 GMT -5
By my view it looked like Jason was going for a slide job. SLid up way to hard and gonna hit the wall so he hit the brakes pretty hard and Bobby B had nowhere to go and hit him.
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